remember gogurt. >> welcome to the young turks. more damning details in the trayvon martin case. [ gunfire ] >> quite a bit of little jump. >> what does that particular trigger? we'll that you be. also, the cops might not have even questioned zimmerman on the scene. unbelievable. also dennis kucinich on the show tonight. >> utterly lacking in integrity. >> we'll ask him about that and obama's policies, what does he think about that as a strong progressive? >> also, the occupy movement

takes over the banks. >> hey! >> well, we'll talk about how bank of america is so corrupt at its core, you don't want to miss that story. it's go time. ♪ >> well, as usual, we have a lot of developments in the treyvon martin case. he was the 17-year-old african-american teenager shot by george zimmerman who outweighed him by 100 pounds was 10 years older than him and put himself in charge of the neighborhood watch when in fact he wasn't. he was armed with a nine-millimeter and trayvon martin wasn't armed at all. we find that there was a no confidence vote today on the police chief.

it was a 3-2 vote, so was actually close, but he lost it. there were calls for his immediate resignation and he has in fact stepped down temporarily. >> i stand by the sanford police department, its personnel and the investigation that was conducted in rewards to the treyvon martin case. it is apparent my involvement in this matter is overshadowing the process, therefore i have come to the decision that i must the position as police chief for the city of sanford. i do this in the homes of restoring some semblance of calm to the city which has been in turmoil for several weeks. >> but is stepping down temporarily really the answer? i'm not sure it is, and neither are the mother and father of trayvon martin.

>> we need a permanent release. >> the temporary step down of billie is nothing. we want an arrest. we want a conviction and we want him to pay for the murder of our son. >> now, we said over and over here about how police chief billie has to step down. i don't think it should be temporary at all, as treyvon martin's mother indicated there know what we actually want no to arrest george zimmerman, yes! that's what we're looking for and he's still not under arrest and by the way, he can still carry a gun. when we turn to zimmerman for new details on the case, we find out the police did say that stand your gun -- that's a funny or sad slip, stand your ground law was considered by the cops when they were talking to zimmerman and they considered

his defense there. he confessed to the shooting. he was handcuffed and his weapon was removed at the time. ok, but now, remember, he has not been arrested and apparently he has his weapon back. now, when they found him he was wet and covered in grass bleeding from the nose and back of his head, given first aid. he was taken to the police station for questioning at that time. we're going to come back to that issue in a second. some people have stepped up to zimmerman's defense, including some of the people who knew him. his. >> george just didn't jump out of a car and start running after trayvon and start shooting him for his skittles and iced tea. >> are you saying trayvon provoked him? >> personally, yes. >> how would you know that? you wouldn't know that at all partly because the police did such a horrible job investigating the case. the police report, talking to a

guest about it last night. >> their job to find the truth, one of those police reports an officer says i did motte talk to mr. zimmerman. >> he says at no point did i question zimmerman about the incident that had taken place. that's timothy smith, who was the guy working zimmerman. >> now, that's really, really interesting. the guy on the scene, the cop on the scene doesn't even question the shooter. that seems very unusual. all right. now we're going to bring in an expert on this, los angeles based attorney tom mesereau, who has worked on incredible cases including the michael jackson one. thanks for joining us. >> thanks for having me. >> as one looks at this case, it seems like a defense attorney's dream case. the cops seem to be helping by not questioning zimmerman. isn't that unusual? >> very unusual particularly in

the case of a young child killed, a child who had no weapon, no motive to assault or hurt anyone. no one has suggested that this young boy was in the process of committing any type of crime misdemeanor or otherwise. that's outrageous. they should take this very seriously. a young life was lost for no reason and it should have been investigated from the opening bell. >> they do a toxicology test on the victim but not on the shooter. isn't that incredibly unusual? >> makes no sense to me. you've got a appointed security guard carrying a deadly weapon, self proclaimed protector of everyone walking around and decides who he is going to shoot and not shoot. something's very wrong with this one. >> lets look at the weapon that you alluded to. we found a clip of someone showing how you shoot that weapon. i think it might be relevant to the case. [ gunshot ] >> one thing

that these pistols hear it click is this that won't shoot it. you have to go all the way to there. you have to let it all the way out so it's ready to go gun. [ gunfire ] >> that's quite a bit of little jump. [ gunfire ] >> now i get two things out of that. it's chilling. the idea of shooting that gun to me means, you know, like your life would have to be in incredible danger for you pull that gun. the second thing i got out of it is that it's not easy. you got to make sure it clicks into place and then shoot. does that affect the case at all in terms of whether it was self defense or not. >> a deadly weapon is a deadly weapon. you don't carry a weapon or use it unless the circumstances put you in imminent peril. different states have different laws about what you can do if you think you're being assaulted.

some say you have to make a reasonable effort to get away, some say you don't. some say you have to get away if you're not in your home. in florida, you don't have a make an effort to retreat. if you're going to use deadly force, the situation has to require deadly force. the advantage the defense has is the only eyewitness available is the fellow who did the shooting. the victim is gone. he can't give you his side. he can't tell you what he perceived and how he acted. however, i think that with a thorough investigation, it may conclude that this fellow was trigger-happy, looking for trouble, seeing what he wanted to see and it was an outrageous show of force. >> one thing driving me crazy is just because you have the stand your ground law doesn't mean that you get to use lethal force against someone who has attacked you in whatever shape. doesn't it have to be that you were worried for your life in

order to be able to strike back with lethal force? in order to determine that wouldn't the cops have had to ask zimmerman questions on the scene, why did you think your life was in danger to that you had to pull the trigger. >> there's the word reasonable there's the word necessity. typically, lawyers will look from an objective standpoint or subjective standpoint. i think the defense in this case will be saying that given his background, his experiences, given what he thought he was obligated to do, he had a subjective belief that he was in eminent peril. i don't think it will hold up. i think the prosecution will be saying objectively speaking he had no right to pull a gun and shoot this man. it was not proportional to the threat. i hope police investigate accordingly. sounds like they're trying to cover something up to me. >> if you're defense attorney for zimmerman, don't you love that they didn't question him on

the scene and let him set his story later. some of the reports say when they finally questioned him, the cops asked him leading questions about self defense? it seems like they're his defense attorney. >> there are situations where police officers misuse deadly force, i saw him reaching for his waistband, his pocket. i didn't know if this person had a weapon. they were looking at me in a malevolent way. it's up for a jury to decide if they're telling the truth and whether their actions were reasonable. it's outrageous that he was not questioned. it's for the defense advantage that he can sit down and figure out how he's going to structure this. >> stand your ground in florida seems to be something that would help defense attorneys tremendously with justifiable homicides. we don't think this fits stand your ground because he used so much force than what seems to be necessary, but justifiable

homicides tripled in florida since the law. how does that help the defense? >> you don't have to make a reasonable effort to get away, but stand your ground doesn't mean shoot with impugnty, anybody you feel like because you don't to have back track. it's got to be reasonable force, necessary force, proportional with the threat and the threat has to be a real one. i think the prosecutors are going to have some issues that they can run with, too. >> tom mesereau, thank you so much for joining us. really appreciate it. >> thank you. >> all right. president obama turning to politics to approve the key right after the break, we'll talk that. >> there's a bottleneck right here, because we can't get enough of the oil to our refineries fast enough. >> and there is congressman ready to weigh in.

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young turks. we've been telling you about the key stone pipeline and president obama actually surprised me earlier when he said he was going to block the northern portion of it. i thought that was fairly strong and seems like a progressive move. of course we got excited a little early. today he was happy about the southern portion. >> now france canada has applied to build a new pipeline to speed oil from curbing to state-of-the-art refineries down in the gulf coast. today, i'm directing my administration to cut through the red tape, break through the bauer contractic hurdles and make this project a priority. >> deregulation, cut through government bureaucracy. sounds like a wonderful republican proposal. when you finish the southern half actually, the pipeline is completed. the northern half is another second option, but the whole pipeline would be completed. there are some progressives who

are not happy about that. dennis kucinich said this. >> slow down. what's the rush? we cannot trust the oil interests to do the right thing for the economy. i know that. >> i'm concerned the president no no, the oil companies have our best interests in mind. joining us now long time congressman, definitely long time progressive dennis kucinich. thanks for coming on the young turks. >> thanks, cenk, good to you with you this evening. thank you. >> we're going to talk about your race with marcy kaptur. i want to talk about the key stone project there speeding up the southern part, is that a disappointment tort president?

>> it's going to be for the consumers in the midwest. transcanada told the canadian government that the granting of the permit would enable oil prices to go up $4 billion or their profits to go up $4 billion a year in the united states so how does that work? if you look at curbing oklahoma, they have ample oil. the midwest has been able to benefit from that. once that supply is drained to the gulf and then exported, what you're looking at, and this has been done by people other than me this study saying that there would be an increase in the price of oil about 10 cents to 20 cents a gallon and out to be a concern to people in the midwest and nationally. this is going to increase the price of oil. what are we doing? we claim there is a problem with a lack of sufficient oil here and we're exporting more oil

feeding the speculators and see a cash in on the effect of the war to iran. >> that's a million percent right, southern part bringing the oil to the refineries in texas where it would leave the country. when they talk about we've got to have domestic oil here. why do we have it leave the country? we don't get the oil. congressman kucinich, this is of course, let me be conservative here and say the disappointment the progressives have had with president obama. i'm curious what your thoughts are on the president's first term. >> it's all coming down to the economy. if we can get america back to work and that means millions more back to work, it will seem as though we've made somewhat of a recovery from the bush years

but there's a problem in doing that, of course, because hello high price of gasoline, and you know the supply keeps some rinking here. the price is being manipulated and you have no viable jobs program. we could have had one a few years ago if the highway bill had passed, and you still have the fed calling a tune restricting job growth instead of increasing it which is what the fed is supposed to be all about. it's going to be a very close election, and hinge on the economy. i'm hopeful we can get more people back to work. if we can't it's going to be a disappointment for allot of americans. >> now you had a race with marcy kaptur and your district and herself of course both progressives were squished together and it was predominantly her district. she wound up winning. i want to show the audience your reaction from that night. >> i would like to be able to

congratulate congresswoman kaptur but i do have to say that she ran a campaign in the cleveland media market that was utterly lacking in integrity with false statements, half truths misrepresentations. >> those are some tough words congressman kucinich. why did you say that. >> i'm not going to back down, because that's what happened. i'm not going to use this opportunity on a national show to rehash what happened in cleveland. i am going to say that look, i've lost before. i accept that i lost. i probably have more defeats registered than most members of congress. i've lost eight times. it took me five times to get elect to congress over a 26 year period. i'm not a stranger to defeat. defeat often has blessings in disguise and i expect to have an opportunity to continue to make a contribution.

my problems minimal compared to the fact that we've got 10 million or more americans out of work, millions of americans losing their home, without health care, without opportunities for the future, without retirement security and my problems are small. i'm going to keep my commitments and continue in every way that i can, not just to be a voice but to be someone who pro proposes ways that we can move this country ahead. >> one quick further question on that. in that district, should the voters vote for marcy kaptur. >> i'm not going to talk about that at all. that race is over. i appreciate the fact that my old district in cleveland about three out of every four voters supported my campaign, and i think that's a credit to my staff, who did great constituent service and it also says that there is an understanding that

i've represented people. i'm grateful to have the chance and i want to thank the people of cleveland in this moment. >> let's talk about your future. some speculated that you might go to washington to run there the state of washington. any truth to that? >> there were people speculating that during the election in cleveland. think about that. there were people speculating that before the redistricting. maybe me wanted to get me out of cleveland. now that i've lost the election, i am keeping my options open. i'm not saying that i'm going to run again for anything at anytime soon but i certainly want to express my appreciation for those people across the country who have recognized the work that i've done over the many years and that i hope to continue to work with people everywhere to try to help our nation and to help our world so for the cause of peace and sow yo economic justice that cause endures, elections come and go.

>> on that note, i couldn't agree more. we need every progressive voice out there because there aren't a lot of us represented in washington or in the power establishment, although we are the great majority of the country. congressman kucinich, thank you for joining us. >> cenk, thank you for the opportunity and thanks to everyone who's watching. thank you. >> all right. now, when we come back. speaking of progressives fighting back, the occupy movement says you know what, we're coming to your house. in this case, that house is the different branches of bank of america where they actually move in. watch. [ singing ] all across the country. we'll tell you about it when we come back.

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about. >> they totally did that. country wide was taken over by bank of america and in matt taibbi's story, there is a stunning fact: 97 of them were

in some way fraudulent. is that a large enough number for you? the list of fraud that bank of america has done is so large. let me give you one sense of it here. here's an exact quote. bank of america paid a $137 million fine for its sabotage of the government-contracts process. that used to be a terrible crime. bank of america does it, admit it, pay a fine and they're free to go. they do it all the time. so, now, meanwhile, what do the republicans think? they think of course we were supposed to bail out the banks. look at mitt romney on the campaign trail. >> there was a fear that the whole economic system of america would collapse that all of our banks would virtually go out of business. in that circumstance, president

bush said they had to do something to make sure they didn't go out of business. i agree. >> matt taibbi from rolling stone is going to tell us whether mitt romney was right or not. i see you shaking your head already. go for it. is mitt romney right or wrong? >> i can see the argument in 2008 when the government was blind-sided by all the problems that happen and all these companies were in trouble, lehman brothers and citigroup and goldman sachs and bear stearns, i can almost see the rationale of saving these companies temporarily. not only did they not go in and fire all the people responsible for this fraud, they continued to support the company for years after it was back on their feet. that's the most inexcusable part. they kept supporting it with billions and billions of dollars of low interest loans after that and that's the real problem.

>> so basically, there were no strings attached, and you know i think a lot of people look at that and from a simplistic point of view. they are all outstanding citizens making these contracts because they're geniuses. tell the people watching at home why you think bank of america among the others actually does fraud, things that are criminal and is not normal business that they should be rewarded for. >> let me just back up with that popular perception that these guys are really smart and making they are money honestly and they pay the money back. these banks are essentially getting their money from free. owed the federal reserve $90 billion. they have that basically endless tap of zero interest loans from the fed. in banking, the entire business

is about your cost of capital. if it's zero, it's impossible not to make money. they are getting money from the government, lending it to us for mortgages or credit cards. how do you not make money when you have an endless supply that free money? that's what all of these banks have been doing all these years, go to the fed, get money, lend it to us and take the cut. that's what they've been doing before we talk about the fraud. >> the genius they had was hey i got it, turns out i can buy american politicians and if i buy them, they give me free money and i can't lose. that's the only thing they figured out is that our system is unfortunately deeply corrupt. talk to me about the fraud and whether what they're doing is in some ways illegal, or is corrupt. >> oh, it's totally illegal. firstly, you have to go back to the 2008, 2007, 2006, that period. what bank of america and all

the big bangs were involved with is a giant fraud, no different than selling fake prada bags in the street. they were selling phony mortgages, taking really poorly poor mortgages, sub prime mortgages, very poor quality lent to extremely risky borrowers, disguising them at triple-a rated high quality loans, essentially lending out mortgages for everybody with a policy, taking those lopes shopping them to unsuspecting unions and pensions and retirement funds as high quality securities. it was a giant fraud scheme. they were doing this all over the world. as part of these deals, they were required to buy back any defective or loans that were in default. that's what bank of america is facing now. they're supposed to be buying back these loans and are not doing it.

there was this string of outraged customers demanding their money back. >> that opens up two things, one is who they rip off. as you explained, not explained nearly well enough in the rest of the media, it was the pensions. i've talked to the managing director of goldman sachs, she said that's the suckers at the tail. when you go to rob people, who do you go to rob? the average americans and their pensions. what did they do to the pensions. >> no, look, who bias these mortgage-backed securities. these big institution at investors. a very typical investor was a pension fund. the new york city retirement fund, los angeles county retirees, state of mississippi retirement fund, all these people went to bank of america and bath mortgage-backed securities that they thought were very high quality. what people need to understand is that the fraud on wall street, they think of some

abstraction, bankers ripping off other bankers, inside trader scheme is a victimless crime they're essentially stealing your life savings.

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